How To: Breedings

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So, you've got yourself some breeding slots and you are ready to breed a foal? Well, you have come to the right place!

Basic Rules and Information:

  • Each Nordanner begins with 10 breeding slots. You may unlock more in the following ways:
    • Earning reputation with The Queen by earning Kaaring!
    • Mutation or Natural slot addition items.
    • Rewards from special imports (Joker, Quinn, Riddler).
  • Nordanners must be at least 5 years old, registered, and the horses must be completely unrelated to each other in order to breed!
    • Crossbreeding in Nordanner is also not allowed. All Nordanner breedings must be between two registered, purebred Nordanners. 
  • As stated in the group rules, You cannot sell a slot that is not yet unlocked!
  • Even if you own the horse, you will need to have your full username listed on the slot that is being used. "Mine", "Owner", "Used" etc are not acceptable forms of marking the slot. If you change it after the breeding is confirmed, that is up to you. However, when sending in the breeding, please use your username on the slot. 
  • Keep accurate records! Selling horses with incomplete or knowingly false lists will result in group action. As an additional reminder, you may not remove reserved slots except in special circumstances. These circumstances are outlined in the expanded Group Rules document linked in the Group Rules journal, under Rule 4. 
  • If you purchase a horse with slots already marked, you may not change the rules, guidelines, or restrictions on those slots, or add restrictions that were not previously agreed upon between the horse's old owner and slot holder. 
    • Example: You may not attempt to force someone to do a breeding picture when the slot had no such restrictions previously.
  • All breedings will be submitted through Storkdanner in the current month's journal. You can find the current month's submission journal under "Posts" on the Storkdanner main page. 
    • Current limits for breedings will be listed on the current month's journal, and a copy of the form to be used when submitting breedings is relisted there!
    • Please remember to link the sire and dam's ID and name, with the link going back to the horse's reference. Steps on how to do this are listed below. 
  • Any items used on a breeding should be submitted to the bank, and linked in the comment on your breeding request. This is to minimize confusion on the admin side, and to be sure that the item is actually in your bank! The bank transaction does not have to be approved prior to submitting the breeding.
    • All items used in a breeding will apply to both genos received. For example, a breedable potion used on a breeding will mean that both genos received should have the breedable potion!
  • If we ask for corrections to your breeding, please do so in a new comment on the monthly submissions journal. If you have questions on the correction we have asked for, we ask that you note the Storkdanner account, as replies in comment threads often get buried and are missed!

Every owner may have different rules for breeding with their horses. Nordanner does not enforce private breeding rules. The group will get involved only in special cases revolving around broken group rules, scams, unmade payments, etc.


How to Breed: Step-by-Step

Step 1: Acquire slots to a registered mare and stallion completely unrelated to each other and of breeding age (5 years or older). 

Step 2: Once your name is listed on both of the horses' breeding lists, comment on the current month's Breeding and Foal Design Approvals journal over on Storkdanner

The comment should include:

Sire:
Dam:
Items to be used: 

  • Reminder: All bank items being used on breedings should be submitted prior to sending in the breeding!
  • Reminder: Your full username must be listed on both of their breeding slots (even if it is a horse you own).
  • Reminder: Please link the sire and dam's reference with their ID and name. Steps on how to do this are below!
    • Open your comment that you are submitting and the sire and dam's most current references in separate tabs.
    • Fill out the form in your submission comment. You will have to type out the sire and dam's ID + Name first in order to link it!
    • Highlight the sire's ID + Name in your submission comment. 
    • Click the link icon in the popup that appears when you highlight the text, OR use ctrl k to bring up the same thing!
    • Copy + Paste the link to the sire's reference in the popup box that appears. 
    • Click apply, and your highlighted text should now be a link!
    • Repeat the same steps for the dam's reference. 
  • Reminder: If using items on your breeding, please submit a comment to the bank first, then include the link on your breeding comment!
  • Reminder: Please only submit one breeding per comment. Comments with multiple breedings will be declined and asked to resubmit!

Step 3: Patiently wait for your genos! An admin will then reply to your comment when they are next online and clearing backlogs. Pleases note: Results of breedings are random and you cannot affect the outcome without the use of a gene pass. Foals may also be rerolled if items or Familiar rewards are used. Though you receive two possible geno/phenotypes, you will need to choose just one! You are more than welcome to design both and see which one you like, however you can only submit one for approval.

Now that your genos have been rolled, you should check How to: Designing and Submitting Your Foal



How To: Reroll A Breeding

You may reroll a breeding with the following items:

  • Fox Familiar Rewards

When you choose to reroll a breeding, the parents and items used will remain the same, but the genos given will be different. When rerolling a breeding, you may add items to the breeding that were not listed in the original breeding request, so long as you link the bank transaction comment in your reroll request!

When you wish to reroll a breeding, please submit the breeding to be rerolled in a new comment in the log for the monthly journal in Storkdanner. In the new comment, make sure to state that you are rerolling a breeding, and include a link to the original breeding, the Fox Familiar reward being used, and all of the information from the breeding being rerolled, including any additional used items. All of this can be listed under the "Items to be used" section of the form. 



How To: Cancellation of Breedings:

You may only cancel a breeding if:

  • You were the one who bred said foal, there is no foal design, and you still own the foal. 
  • The foal was bred less than 6 months ago.
  • You accidentally used a slot to a horse twice.
  • Accidental inbreeding.
  • You linked the wrong parents/ parents you did not intend to breed together. 

In the case of cancellations,  the ID number will be reused for another member's breeding, or if older, used for the Newbie Training Arena. The slots used to make the foal will again be considered open for use. It will be as if your genos never existed.

More information on how to cancel breedings: 

  • If your breeding has not yet been rolled please hide or delete your comment from the breedings queue. 
  • If you have already received your genos please send a note to Storkdanner . Include a link to the breeding you would like to be canceled and the reason you are canceling the breeding. 
  • The group reserves the right to deny cancellation, should it seem the breeder is abusing the ability by frequent cancellations. If you decide you simply do not want the foal any longer, that is not a valid enough reason to cancel the breeding. You can sell it, or donate it to our Nordanner Adoption Center.

Please note: You may not immediately send another note with the same parent as the canceled breeding. This is to be used for things such as accidental inbreeding, accidentally pairing two incorrect horses, and not just to get a re-roll of your genos. For new genos with the same breeding, you will need to use a breeding reroll, or submit a separate breeding with the same parents! (You will have to have multiple slots to both parents).


Inbreeding or Crossbreeding

Crossbreeding is not allowed in Nordanner. If a breeding is sent between a Nordanner and another breed, it will be rejected. 

Nordanner also doesn't allow inbreeding at any point in a horse's lineage, be it on the grid or in starter lists. If a Nord is found to have two or more of the same horses in its lineage it will be marked as deceased, and the owner notified. 

  • Inbreeding is described as having one or more horses listed more than once in a horse's lineage. It does not matter if the duplicate is a natural or mutation, or if it was a mistake made by breeding admin several years ago. 
  • The same as with cancellations, the slots used to make the horse will once again be considered open for use, and a separate breeding with different parents may be sent in to create a new horse. The ID of the horse will be recycled for use either in another breeding, or in the Newbie Training Arena. 

Although admins will quickly check both breeding notes and your lineage to look for errors, it is ultimately your responsibility as the owner/breeder to be absolutely positive there are no repeating horses in the lineage before sending in for a breeding!


How Genetics Work in Nordanner

Here's a basic breakdown of how they work within Nordanner as our genetics are not 100% true to life.
Nordanner, like with many HARPG breeds, simplifies or clarifies certain genetics and phenotypes from real life. Not all genes will function the same as in real life, as these genes are simplified, and it makes it easier on use to review foals by sticking to certain standards. When it comes to breeding in particular, not all genes will pass the same as a natural gene (50% chance to pass). Read below for more information!

Natural genes:

Natural horses' genes do mimic real life, in that if you have one copy (recessive or heterozygous) there will be a 50% chance that the gene will pass. If you have two copies of a gene (dominant or homozygous), the gene will be guaranteed to pass to the foal. 

  • Example 1: EE aa nSty x EE aa = Chance of EE aa nSty,  OR chance of simply EE aa. The horse is guaranteed to be EE aa, with a 50% chance of sooty. 
  • Example 2: A horse with SplSpl (two copies of the splash gene) would always pass down one copy (nSpl) because it is dominant. However, if a horse with only one copy of the splash gene (nSpl), it would only pass down Splash 50% of the time to its offspring.

 Lethal Overo and Lethal White

  • In Nordanners, some foals may be born with OO or WW and live! This is, however, very rare. There is a 10% chance a horse that rolls these genetics will live.
  • If your horse rolls Lethal White and dies, you will only receive one genotype as a result. The other will be listed as LETHAL OVERO or LETHAL WHITE.
  • It is possible to receive two lethal genos. The group will not refund breedings where this is the case. By breeding horses together which have overo or dominant white, you are accepting that there is a risk of a lethal foal. 

Mutation genes:

Mutation horses, on the other hand, are entirely different. The chances of the mutation gene passing are as follows:
(Peafowl is used as the example, but most of the mutations, save the ones listed below, work in the same way!)

  • PwlPwl x No mutation = nPwl
  • nPwl x nPwl = nPwl
  • PwlPwl x nPwl = PwlPwl
  • PwlPwl x PwlPwl = PwlPwl
  • nPwl x No mutation OR other recessive mutation = No mutation.

There are exceptions to this rule as the following mutations pass the same as a natural gene:  Glimmer, Pumpkin, Eggnog and Snowfall pass like a natural gene.
Current list of all Mutation Genes may be found in the Design Guides. You can find links to the Design Guides in the  How to: Designing and Submitting Your Foal journal. 

Breedable potions:

Although breedable potions are not seen in a horse's genotype, they can still be passed down to the horse's offspring. They pass the same as a natural gene, with a 50% chance to pass. A horse can have up to two breedable potions present.

Current list of all Breedable Potions may be found in the Design Guides. You can find links to the Design Guides in the  How to: Designing and Submitting Your Foal journal. 

Anomalies:

Anomalies work the same as Lethal Overo and Lethal White. If the horse has one copy of the gene, it will display characteristics of the anomaly. If two copies of a single kind of anomaly gene are present, the horse will be a Lethal Foal. A horse may have more than one kind of anomaly present, with no cap on the number of anomalies. 

Examples:

  • Foal with a single Albino (Alb) gene --> foal will show characteristics of Albino. 
  • Foal with two Albino (AlbAlb) genes --> LETHAL FOAL
    • The same goes with all anomaly genes, not just Albino. 
  • Foal with one Albino (Alb) gene and one Xolo (Xo) gene --> Foal will be an Albino Xolo, two separate anomalies are not lethal. 
Current list of all Anomaly Genes may be found in the Design Guides. You can find links to the Design Guides in the  How to: Designing and Submitting Your Foal journal. 

Random traits:

Fun Fact: Genotypes and other random, non-breedable traits such as mimicry, chimera, somatic, birdcatcher spots, brindle, and bend-or spots, are determined by chance. You may even roll for twins, which is quite rare within Nordanners!

Randomly-Generated Traits (aka RNG traits) do not have a genetic component and may pop up randomly in breedings. You may apply a randomly-chosen RNG trait to a breeding with a Luck Potion, or choose the RNG Trait to be present in both foal genos with an RNG Trait item. 

Percentage Breakdown: (chances of rolling RNG Traits without the use of additional items)

  • Twins (0.8%)
  • Birdcatcher spots (4.6%)
  • Brindle (0.8%)
  • Bend-or Spots (0.8%)
  • Somatic Mutation (0.8%)
  • Chimera (0.8%)
  • Lacing (0.08%)
  • Mimicry mutation (0.8%)
  • Pumpkin Gene (In season: Approx 4.5%. Out of season: 0.8%)
  • Eggnog Gene (In season: Approx 4.5%. Out of season: 0.8%)
Looking for more information on colors or markings? Check the Design Guides linked in How to: Designing and Submitting Your Foal for more information.


Some Breeding F.A.Qs:

Q. Someone has a slot to my horse they haven't used in forever! Can I clear it?

A. No! You may never clear a breeding slot as you don't know if the member used it without informing you. It does not matter how "old" the horse is in terms of ID number or relative number of years the horse has been around. We understand that in the early days of Nordanner, slots were allowed to be removed. However, this has not been the case in many years, and has led to quite a large number of "extra foals" beyond the allowed number of breeding slots. So, all slot lists must remain the same regardless of if the slot has been used, is held by a banned member, etc. Special exceptions are listed in the Group Rules, under the linked expansion document, under Group Rule 4. 

Q. I paid for a slot and completed the payment, but the owner won't let me use it! What do I do?
A. 
If you have completed payment for a breeding slot and the owner refuses to add you to their breeding list (or list the slot as useable) please send a note to the group and we can force it for you.

Please also include the following in your note (you need all three criteria for us to force the breeding):

  • Proof of what payment was agreed upon
  • Proof that payment was completed
  • Proof that you tried to contact the horses owner either via comment or note a minimum of 14 days ago. We need to see that you have tried to resolve this yourself and that you haven't received an answer for at least two weeks or more.

Breedings will not be forced if the owner has responded and given you a valid reason for why your slot isnt useable. For example, If the payment was a detailed full body image but you did a chibi, or so on.

Q. Can I use a slot to a deceased horse?
A. Yes, so long as you can provide a reference link where your name is listed on the slots of that horse. 

Q. I had a breeding rolled, but I forgot an item, what do I do?
A. 
You will have to reroll this breeding in order to add an item! You won’t be guaranteed to get the same genos though! (and you will need a fox reward in order to reroll).

Q. Help! I accidentally used a slot twice! What do I do?
A. Send a note to Storkdanner with a link to both breedings with both foal IDs. 
Whichever breeding was rolled first will remain as-is. The breeding that was rolled second will be canceled and the ID recycled.

Q. Does the group require breeding images?
A. 
Nope! That is something that falls under personal/private breeding rules, and is dependent on each individual member. Check with the owner of the horse to see if there are any rules that should be followed before using your slot!

Q: I bought (or own)  a foal from the olden times of nords past, and don’t have access to the genotype and breeding note, what do I do?
A. Firstly, check the ID list to see if the breeding note has been linked there. If it isn't, or if it is located in the group notes and you don't have access to it, make a post in the help-and-questions channel in the discord, or send a note to the group with the ID number! An admin will hunt down that information for you!


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:pointr: Have questions about Breeding? :pointl:

This journal is not monitored for questions -- below is where you can go to get help!


  • NOTE This Storkdanner account! (The account which made this comment~)

  • Go to the discord! help-and-questions and design-help channels are available to be resources for you to get help!


:pointr: Looking for help for a different area of the group? :pointl:


  • Group Discord --> help-and-questions channel!

  • Import Designs --> @NordannerDesign

  • Foal Designs and Breeding --> @Storkdanner

  • Kaaring and Familiars --> Nordministrator

  • Events --> Note the group or NordannerEvents

  • Bullying, Harassment, Group Rules issues --> Note the group, or the founder directly!